How to diagnose a fish ailmensumatran ti

Bros, to kick off this thread i want to share some experience。
Recently i bought some ITs between 11"; to 18"; (7 pcs in total) 2 weeks ago。
The seller wanted collective sales so I took all。 He is giving up the hobby。
Some has internal cloudy some normal as what I can see。 I took all。
(By the way, the pop eye issue in my last thread on IT has not cleared - only improved。)
As the sellers tank was black oyama based and sides, I cannot see clearly the extent of the damage of the ITs eyes。
On bringing the ITs back (with help from brother Johnseah_99 - many thanks to him), I notice the extent of damage was not so bad - it was a relief - so i thought。 The fishes all look like only external cloudy。 the eye balls were not affected。 Good。 I thought。
I reckoned I dont want to put the fishes into my main tank directly and since i was urgrading my other tank, I took the opportunity to use this other tank as a hospital tank before disposal for these big ITs。 At the same time can sterilise the tank before handing over。 So i started with API fungal care。
What is interesting about all these medicines is that there are a lot of overlaps - eg API fungal cure states for pop eyes,aquarium tetracycline also says pop eyes。 Metro cure and parzi gold (parasites) also did mention that to some extent。 It is confusing for someone who analyses descriptions too much。 some are worse - Japanese words and some just simple chinese words and labels。 hahaha。。
However, I later realised that pop eyes, like cloudy eyes can be caused by a lot of pathogens (virus, bacteria, fungus, parasites etc)。 It is like fever in humans。 Any discomfort the body feels =>; be it cancers, viruses (like dengue haemorrhagic fevers, bacterial infections from coughs to colds) will cause ==>; FEVERS。 So it is very difficult to diagnose。 The labels on the bottles really didnt help much either。
Anyway, back to the experience ! I proceeded to using API Fungal cure for the batch of fishes。 I initially thought it was fungal in nature。 The water became yellow and I followed all dosing instructions promptly。
After 5 days, things improved but cloudy eyes remains。 In the meantime, bro Tomwong came my place and casually told me external fungus can just use finger wipe away in our conversation。
On the 6th day, I wanted to transfer the fishes into the main tank already。 All quarantine has been done。 I proceeded to catching the fishes one by one to wipe。 Then I discovered ! The ";cloudy fungus"; is on the inside of the cornea。 The more i rub gently, it spreaded out!! I wondered whether this is classified as internal or external? hehehe。
Anyway, I have no choice。 I placed all the fishes into the main tank。 Things to remain as they were for the time being until I think of my next step。
After a few days,Sumatran tiger habitat destruction while i was at Sea View, i saw some deworm medicines and decided to deworm my fishes after reading about it online (that is how i knew of parzi gold above)。
I saw pink 1 inch worms and white shit after 3 days deworm。 The cloudiness also disappeared in 2 of my ITs above。 I am not sure whether it is the WC before the deworm or the fishs immune system that helped in the curing or the deworm but it went away。
So my conclusion is !- Diagnosing a problem in sick fish is not as easy as it seems。 Sometimes the medicine u think will work may not。 conclusion is Never give up (of course must considering the costs factor)。
Bros, any comments how to do a good diagnosis? Diagnosis symptoms based may not work。
==comments==

How to diagnose a fish ailmensumatran ti AROWANA ForumVery in-depth writing, bro。 Thumb up。
>I am relatively new to big tanks。。 always kept small fishes here and there but only a few months ago then full on predatory fish(bigger tanks)。
Into my journey in fish keeping。。 i dont really depend on medicine for my fish as i always want them to cure themselves naturally - i do keep the basic ones。。。 (melafix for external injuries, oceanfree with discus pic for internal parasites)。。
In short, i try to keep my fish-keeping journey as simple as possible。。 treat the fish like you would treat your kids。。
Would you keep feeding them anti-biotics when they are sick or just give them a good environment and let their body immune system do the rest? I choose the latter of course while maintaining good water quality(over filtration, good flowrate(not too strong, not too weak)。 i am kiasu when it comes to media。
Basic like melafix is like our cream when they got bruises and the internal parasite like for laosai pill like that。。 other than that。。 i dont really use any antibiotics。。 if your fish you tlc them gaolat they have will to live for you。。 you dont have to worry so much la haha
>Awesome experience to share among us well written msg to help us in the future needs of our fishes Thumbs up !
>Originally Posted by davestial I am relatively new to big tanks。。 always kept small fishes here and there but only a few months ago then full on predatory fish(bigger tanks)。
Into my journey in fish keeping。。 i dont really depend on medicine for my fish as i always want them to cure themselves naturally - i do keep the basic ones。。。 (melafix for external injuries, oceanfree with discus pic for internal parasites)。。
In short, i try to keep my fish-keeping journey as simple as possible。。 treat the fish like you would treat your kids。。
Would you keep feeding them anti-biotics when they are sick or just give them a good environment and let their body immune system do the rest? I choose the latter of course while maintaining good water quality(over filtration, good flowrate(not too strong, not too weak)。 i am kiasu when it comes to media。
Basic like melafix is like our cream when they got bruises and the internal parasite like for laosai pill like that。。 other than that。。 i dont really use any antibiotics。。 if your fish you tlc them gaolat they have will to live for you。。 you dont have to worry so much la haha Bro Davestial, i totally agree with you。
Leaving it to the fishs natural immune system is the best and simplest thing to do, but this only applies to (colds, flus, sore throats, natural wounds)。 When there are ailments (like cancers, tuberculosis, myelo fibrosis, AIDS), death will follow if nothing is done。 [taking a human analogy]
In fact, people sell fish when they dont like them, when they are outcasts (fights, pH and environmental parameters unsuitable) or when the give up hobby etc。 Face it - it is very possible that pathogens are present in such fishes or in feeders。
We have no choice sometimes。 In fact, I have yet to use any anti biotics at the moment because I fully agree with you。
My 2 boxes of API Tetracycline are intact and on standby。
But everyday i am faced with tigers with cloudiness and popped eyes for some time liao。 lol
People can say dont buy them lo - sunken stomaches, stunted growth (eyes enlarged), general darker fish, non active, abnormal growths etc。 It is like saying to SPCA leave the sick dogs to die on the streets and in other peoples homes。
>Originally Posted by KongSK Very in-depth writing, bro。 Thumb up。 Thanks for the kind words。
Originally Posted by eyehawk Awesome experience to share among us well written msg to help us in the future needs of our fishes Thumbs up ! Just highlighting some setbacks I have experienced。
>";So my conclusion is !- Diagnosing a problem in sick fish is not as easy as it seems。 Sometimes the medicine u think will work may not。 conclusion is Never give up (of course must considering the costs factor)。
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Leaving it to the fishs natural immune system is the best and simplest thing to do, but this only applies to (colds, flus, sore throats, natural wounds)。 When there are ailments (like cancers, tuberculosis, myelo fibrosis, AIDS), death will follow if nothing is done。 [taking a human analogy]";
Bro, agreed with you especially the points above。 To me is if youve not encountered sick fishes then theres no learning experience, looking it this way。 And theres a saying ";We kill the fishes with medicine/treatment than curing them mostly"; haha because sometimes it is hard to diagnose the sickness and give correct medicine。 so we prefer ";Prevention is better than cure";, and yet sometimes the prevention is not well taken care than the disaster/sickness will seat in。 I have another learning experience with my discus just recently。 The unknown virus/disease wipe out half of the stock, and also partially due to my wrong diagnosis/wrong medicine used, wrong treatment that causes more dead。 Sad but learn something so more or less I can sense what you feel。 It is good that eventually you can find/know the root cause but sometimes we still dont have the answer to the cause。 Mostly there need a diagnosis from laboratory and the microscope to check and see what the bacteria or paragon is and also must know what is the bacteria/paragon is。 Not easy for us without anything but we can just observe from the fishes behavior and the symptom on the fishes and/or any injury on the fishes, and also the feces, even sometimes the worms inside the tank/fish is hard to be detected。
In my experience sometimes the dead is due to fight (mostly amongst fish of same kind, but sometimes can be other) but I thought it is due to bacteria, and any how dose the medicine。 The most difficult to diagnosis is the SDS (Sudden Dead Sickness) but some may not agree and think mostly is due to water issue。
Lastly got to agree ";cloudy eyes could also due to internal parasite"; as learn from somewhere。 Forever learning 。。。。。。 Cheers!
>Bro, sorry to hear the loss of your discus。 if they were the ones I saw months back at yr house, they were very beautiful n a real pity。
>Originally Posted by Terence_heng Bro, sorry to hear the loss of your discus。 if they were the ones I saw months back at yr house, they were very beautiful n a real pity。 Yes bro, I am sad too。 Now I also learned another lesson! mostly fishes are killed by man made error or ignorant such as lack of wc, lack of quarantine, lack of cleaning uneaten food/feces, lack of cleaning filters, wrong comm, etc, etc。 In other word, more hard-work is needed。 Also feed too much and foul the water could be another cause。 Btw my wc routine is once every week but failed to take care of filter。
Manage to save some by mean of antibiotics and the other by mean of anti-worm/anti-bacteria。 Pain lesson but gain some experiences。 Also other fishes are also sick and headache to take care / treat them as cause mentioned above。 My bad。
>Originally Posted by Terence_heng Bro Davestial, i totally agree with you。
Leaving it to the fishs natural immune system is the best and simplest thing to do, but this only applies to (colds, flus, sore throats, natural wounds)。 When there are ailments (like cancers, tuberculosis, myelo fibrosis, AIDS), death will follow if nothing is done。 [taking a human analogy]
In fact, people sell fish when they dont like them, when they are outcasts (fights, pH and environmental parameters unsuitable) or when the give up hobby etc。 Face it - it is very possible that pathogens are present in such fishes or in feeders。
We have no choice sometimes。 In fact, I have yet to use any anti biotics at the moment because I fully agree with you。
My 2 boxes of API Tetracycline are intact and on standby。
But everyday i am faced with tigers with cloudiness and popped eyes for some time liao。 lol
People can say dont buy them lo - sunken stomaches, stunted growth (eyes enlarged), general darker fish, non active, abnormal growths etc。 It is like saying to SPCA leave the sick dogs to die on the streets and in other peoples homes。
Aiya, human analogy, food you eat, lifestyle and environment is directly related to most of the rare cases。 If kena just have to accept it。
To prevent this kind of situation, dont buy big fishes and rear them from young as this is the crucial period for them。 We are are able to control/impact as to how they look like in the future。 Cloudiness and popeye are somewhat related to water quality(environment)。 Do your best bro, the rest is up to the fish to fight for you or give up on you
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